Soldiers Discuss Using "Drop Weapons" To Cover Up Killing Innocent Iraqi Civilians

"soldiers in the battle field won't need to worry about "drop weapons" because whoever they face, is another soldier or "the enemy"."

You might want to tell that to the families and loved ones of the hundreds of thousands of "enemy" women, children, infants, elderly and non-combatant men your soldiers have killed and maimed on the "battle field", including the tens of thousands they killed and maimed by means of "shock and awe", the thousands in Falluja, and so on and on and on and on.

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a portion of the population that once sided with the 'authoritarians' is now targeted by the 'authoritarians'. 1968 was the beginning of a change in the US soldier in Vietnam, more disagreement with the war, more resistance and increased rebellion and drug use.

Nixon also is part of 1968, He takes office in '69. Jump to '73, we're scrambling to get out of Vietnam, our eyes have been opened to what a criminal administration looks like, awareness of the US's despicable acts in South and Central America begin to arise. We've learn of the deplorable tretament of VIetnam vet's. The depth of the frustration, the despondence, the feelings of ineffectualness increase further and further.

With the prosecution of Nixon for Watergate, the collective psyche of the American people is bolstered, it begins to trust the rule of law again and WHAM! 'In the best interest of healing our nation, I have elected to pardon Richard M. Nixon' -- Gerald Ford, shortly after taking office.

That was the final blow for millions. The collective mentality became: we can't win, all politicians are corrupt, the government is best to be avoided or they'll 'get you', I'm going to look out for myself and my family, and on.

The '70's - '90's are notorious for the excesses of the citizens and the apathy towards and lack of involvement in representative government.
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I submit to you all that first, the majority of Americans believe in the rule of law and support what that means and entails.

Second the major cause, not the only cause, but the major cause is the effects events in the '60's and early '70's.

First it was JFK. While history has shown he wasn't a choir boy, (well, he was when young, but ..you know what I mean), and wasn't THAT great as a President, his murder, nonetheless, shocked the citizens.

Then we get mired in an illegal war, with no purpose or direction, that bitterly divides our country. This brings out the worst of the 'authoritarians' and the govt and police begin to abuse US citizens over war dissent.

In 1968, our hopes on two fronts, RFK, for the future of our country and MLK, for the future of racial equality are slain. Americans are shocked once again, but this time a feeling of frustration - frustration that our chance to be better is taken away. There's also despondence, feeling like you just can make a positive difference no matter how hard you try.

1968 is a pivotal year, attitudes were changing: about the war, about our government, about the US's direction. More of the mainstream and middle class acknowledge the problems and work for change -
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"As long as you put high powered weapons in the hands of 18 and 19 year olds, bad stuff is going to happen once and a while..."

This is true to an extent but he misses the obvious problem with his logic and that is that these 18 and 19 year olds are being forced to work as an occupying force rather than what they were trained for and what they signed up for: being soldiers at a time of war.

You see, soldiers in the battle field won't need to worry about "drop weapons" because whoever they face, is another soldier or "the enemy".

These men and women are trained and they are prepared to face-off with the enemy and to fight. What this administration is asking of them goes against what they signed up for, and it goes against what we are as a people. They are being asked to be stormtroopers in an occupation to squash an insurgent uprising of an occupied people.

We need to pull out troops out, let them regroup, rebuild the strength of the military without the use of private contractors, and then as a option of final resort, redeploy these soldiers where they are needed to fight other soldiers at a time of war.

They should not be used to make Iraq safe for Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase. Bring them home.

HI GANG

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And people will still tell you that they hate us because of our way of life. Maybe its because we keep doing everything we can to destroy theirs.

Brobro,
Your ignorance would be laughable if not for the fact that our soldiers are dying due to the illegal, immoral and criminal war started by your party and backed by idiots like you who somehow feel it is patriotic to kill anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view and that we are justified in our genocide against the iraqi people. Most soldiers are great, admirable and noble. I served with many of them. Since I haven't seen any mention of it, I will assume you are one of those republican cowards who believe in endless wars and occupations as long as you don't have to spill your own blood. Unfortunately, for every noble soldier serving his country, there are soldiers with this neocon point of view. I remember hearing soldiers comment that they couldn't wait to get over there and kill all the sand Nig*@! in Iraq. Disturbing? Absolutely. Not all soldiers are noble and unselfish servants of their country just like not all citizens are upstanding and law abiding. Add to this the fact that their cue is being taken by a bunch of corrupt and cowardly politicians in this administration and this is what you get. I would go into detail about what makes a true patriot, but like I've said before, you right-wing nuts don't and never will get it. Just get this election over with so you guys can crawl back under your rocks, this time, hopefully forever.

Two reasons why planting weapons is unnecessary.

1. GW Bush declared Iraq a free kill zone a long time ago. (see Falujah)
2. Bremer the former Viceroy, codified that neither Iraq nor the U.S. could prosecute war crimes. (see Bremer leaves with bags of money)

If you believe Cheney's war for oil and empire launched and sustained by over 900+ *documented* lies about WMDs and debunked claims of connections between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 is morally acceptable, why aren't *you* over there in uniform fighting this war?

I happen to have studied war and soldierin' all my life, starting with family stories of "those times" (WW2 and the Great Depression). Your Social Darwinian attempt to dismiss the utter moral bankruptcy of the Bushevik war in Iraq as "that's just the way it is" is IMHO the lowest form of rationalization and intellectual bankruptcy.

So I ask *you* again; if you're not already up to your neck in the s*** and the blood in Iraq, when are you going to do the right thing and sign up for the US Marines the way my Father did after Pearl Harbour? If this war is so righteous to you, Bobby, then get off your high horse and go join in the fight, and do your part for making the world safe for corporate welfare and profit margins of Cheney's corporate cronies.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

Given the history since our occupation began, why would any single American be stupid enough to believe that the entire population of Iraq might somehow forget the events of the last 5+ years? How can any thinking, feeling American not put themselves in the Iraqi's place, and ask themselves if they would have tolerated being occupied by a foreign power under the conditions that the Iraqi's have endured?

So long as our boots are on their soil, we will be resented, hated and targeted, and the most we can ever expect of the Iraqis is for them to look the other way and not inform us when mortar teams roam the streets, or when an IED has been planted in our path.

It would require a new definition of winning to continue to occupy under those circumstances.

We cannot "un-fail" Iraq. We can only leave Iraq.

That is what we should do.

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Typical "Summer soldiers" on Soros' payroll parrotting the terrorists propaganda. Huffers eat this stuff up. Anything that denigrates America is just fine with them. When these two are shown to be plants as many of the ones Kerry shilled for, you won't see any retraction on Huffpo. they just spew the lies out in an effort to undercut our war effort. Each week sees a new effort to slime America. Soros has plenty of money and we will see more as his Manchurian candidate marches in lockstep with the other marxists towards November.

All the troops should wear the logos of Exxon-Mobil and Chevron-Texaco on their uniforms. That's who they are fighting for, not for America.